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April 9, 2008 - Posted by okawa | Action Notice | , , , , , , , , | 4 Comments

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  1. How clean are your hands, Caesar?

    Are you serious about human rights? Then get real.

    http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive/atrocities.htm

    Comment by workidda | April 10, 2008 |

  2. @workidda, that is the third time you posted that link.

    It’s not related to this subject matter. You are more than welcome to post, but please comment in the appropriate sections. There are “human rights” and “genocide” issues regarding the IOC issues of China, Darfur and Tibet, and China had 7 years to work on it.

    This issue is not the same as Palestine or Israel’s issue. Those are separate issues that have nothing to do with the issue of Genocide in Darfur or Tibet.

    You posted this link four times, but you didn’t show anything of the Israeli Children that are being killed as well, both sides are killing each other, and it’s been going on for hundreds of years.

    Your link say’s that “American” taxpayers are killing them, but you also fail to include China? Isn’t China funding some of that money?

    I think you need to learn to focus on issues separately and look at both of their issues separately, then post in the topic regarding Palestine and Israel.

    It’s obvious you did not read any of my previous comments regarding your link. Your posting of that link in none related posts are not appropriate to this issue.

    My hands are very clean, but what does that have to do with your argument? Who is Caesar? Yes, I’m serious about human rights, and I’m not one sided as you appear to be.

    Focus on the issue, not your emotions.

    Comment by okawa | April 10, 2008 |

  3. The mass media are distorting the different reasons for the revolt in Tibet. here I have tried to provide a different prospective which takes into consideration the ethnic division of Tibet.

    Comment by marranci | May 5, 2008 |

  4. @marranci,

    I think people confuse "Buddhist" teachings with “human nature.” So, I’m not sure where your getting the stereotype of Buddhists? As a Buddhist and a former Christian I know all to well the carnal nature of human beings, and I for one have never presumed to be "non-violent by default." Though each person can have innate characteristics to their own nature, not related to religion.

    Same with any religion, it’s not always the faith, but human nature that causes the problems. Faith if practiced can be good for some people. It’s like every one thinks that Muslims or Islam followers are terrorist, but terrorism goes against Islamic teachings. That’s my understanding.

    I think I might be missing the part where “Western” media is biased toward Buddhist people. As a Buddhist, I do know that Buddhist communities have fought bloody wars for political reasons, but that’s just the point, it’s political, not the Buddhist teachings itself.

    Not all Tibetans practice Tibetan Buddhism, and that is my understanding. Tibetan Buddhism also carries with it some practices of the Tibetan Bonpo practice. Buddhists around the world practice Buddhism, but they some times practice other things, and some Buddhist practices have absorbed into it the indigenous teachings of the region they are practiced in. If I go to Japan they may do some thing different than other places like Tibet, or India. Buddhist basic teaching is a pacifist teaching, whether people want to practice it or not. Only half of the Buddhist practitioners around the world actually practice vegetarianism, as they are suppose to, and in the United States that number is even less than half. This is human nature, not Buddhist teaching.

    I’m not trying to glorify the Buddhist practitioner; my intent is only to clarify Buddhist teaching from human nature. In fact, if everyone was a Buddhist and actually practiced doing no harm we would be living in a better world, but that’s not the way it is. To many people are greedy, whether that is political, financial or materialistic greed.

    Also, a lot of Buddhist’s don’t get involved in politics, but then a lot of them do. I think Buddhist’s should get involved in politics. Why? In American we have many other religious organizations getting involved in politics and that makes for an imbalance. I once questioned a local temple why they don’t speak up on certain political issues, and I was told because it’s against the law. This is true, but how do we account for the other faiths getting involved? Either the law should be enforced or every one should be allowed.

    Anyway, my issue is the confusion of Buddhist teachings and human nature. When people commit violent acts against others, that is not a Buddhist teaching, it is human nature. Buddhism teaches me to do no harm to any sentient being, and as a human I do my best to practice that teaching.

    Also, in many other countries a person can be a Buddhist practitioner and practice Christianity, Islam, Taoism or any other teaching. So, I’m confused why the Tibetan Buddhist’s would treat a Chinese Hui Muslim like you have said? [For clarification, most Hui are similar to Han Chinese, other than headwear and some dietary practices, and who are different from the Uygher Islamic's in Northwestern areas, who are Turkic people.] Though in some countries for example, in the US a Christian would disparage a Buddhist and call them devil worshipers, though not all of them would do that.

    Perhaps it’s not about the Buddhism or the Muslim, but a deeper problem between the Hui Chinese and the Tibetan people, not necessarily Buddhism itself, and perhaps the cultural aspects of Tibetan culture, which also happens to be part of the Tibetan Buddhist practices and Bonpo practices, but I don’t know enough about either to warrant disputing it on it’s behalf.

    None of this would change my mind about the Tibetan issue with China. It’s not just the a Tibetan issue either. The Chinese Communist Party has created all sorts of issues in the whole region and not just for Tibetan’s, but different Chinese ethnic groups as well. If the Chinese government can do that to their own Han Chinese people, how much more to the Tibetan people?

    Every country has its problems. We all know that the Tibetan country before the Chinese invasion was feudal, but China was feudal as well, so the claim that Tibet was backwards doesn’t legitimize any grounds for another country to invade it.

    China had its slaves too, and I say that because this seems to be the popular anti-western media point of view. What is considered “western” media? India currently has an untouchable class of people, are they the Western media? I don’t think “Western” media is the villain, sure it has problems and if they make mistakes those mistakes can be challenged. China’s media can’t be challenged because third parties are not allowed to go in and verify their claims, what the Communist Party Media say’s is golden, and any one speaking out against it will suffer.

    Some of what you bring up sounds like a repeat of Michael Parenti’s Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth

    Here is a rebuttal: A Lie Repeated – The Far Left’s Flawed History of Tibet

    I have a problem trying to believe the communist party claims, when they do not allow independent parties to verify those claims, but "Western" media can have independent verifiable information, and even disputes. I also have an issue with the pro-communist party people who try to tell every one that they know what is better for the Tibetan people. Knowing the number of refugees is enough information for me to believe that something is wrong with the communist parties rule over Tibet.

    As for the Tibetan people attacking the shops, that aren’t unique to Lhasa, in fact, that would happen in other parts of the world as well. Specifically marking it as unique to Tibet because of Tibetan Buddhism isn’t fare. When people have problems and those problems grow as a result of them not being resolved, then people will find some one to blame. The Chinese in Tibet are part of that un resolved issue of favoritism by the Chinese communist party who has built businesses and governments in Lhasa. To get a job in Lhasa, you have to test for it in Chinese, not the native Tibetan language, so Tibetans have a harder time getting jobs favored for Chinese speakers. The Tibetans are force to disown their own language to a foreign Chinese language in order to get a job in their own land. Imagine if England forced Hong Kong to only educate in English.

    Example, in California, I have no problem with Californian’s speaking multiple languages, nor do I have a problem with the government respecting those various languages including Chinese by creating documents for them to read and test on. The problem is with a few English speakers who find an issue that isn’t even related, like the loss of jobs, who end up blaming the loss of jobs on Hispanic workers. Then call on California to be an English only state. They want to blame the Hispanic people for every little problem they have, though the Tibetan issue is different and not comparable. In Tibet, the Chinese rulling communist party favors the Chinese language over the Tibetan language. Perhaps the problem would not have escalated in March if the communist party would have tested for jobs in the Tibetan language or allowed for better education of the Tibetan language to Tibetan children, since many of the Tibetan schools have been closed to Tibetan children by the communist party.

    Also, you failed to mention that the communist party instigated the riots, not to mention masquerading as Tibetans or is that another alleged "western" media bias?

    I feel the issue is a larger issue than simply Buddhists attacking Muslims or the BBC alleging that Tibetan’s are mono ethnics because they know one of the Emperors married a Nepalese and a Chinese, but that was around the 7th century. Sounds like a simple educational course for the BBC or why would they perpetuate it because it doesn’t to any service to the Tibetan people.

    Comment by okawa | May 5, 2008 |


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